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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 11, 2008 11:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

so I am listening to this great version of cream puff war, from 67-03-18 - Winterland, only to find out it is the last time they played it. I knew they didn't play it many times, but only seven; and this last version being so fine.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-03-18.sbd.fink.10282.sbeok.shnf

I wonder how many other last times out for songs were at this level.

I prefer later 67 to early but I really like this show; and the cream puff war makes it for me. I never gave the song much of a listen, but now I am going to have to listen to the other six versions.

so I tried to search on the tune in the forum but I got tired of going through pages and pages of either posts by cream puff war or replies to cream puff war...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Oct 11, 2008 11:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

agreed, that version of CPW is really charged, and it's definitely a shame that the band didn't keep the song in the rotation; but of course there are several of those early songs that could have been given a longer stretch in the setlists, such as Viola & Doin' That Rag, just to mention two personal favourites of mine; on the other hand, who's to say how any of those short-lived songs would have played out over time; maybe they would have been played to death, like MAMU (not to malign the song, since i actually like the song, but still ...)

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 12, 2008 12:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

I think it's good they dropped Cream Puff War in '67, leaving it on a high note...
the song (written by Jerry Garcia) had spunk and a tempo they couldn't have maintained after '68...

it would have made an interesting suprise revival in '68 - but after that year, no...
the whole thing about it is how all out balls it is...
some say it was garage punk (except, they were never a "garage" band, maybe a bar band at first.)
and if they'd only put out that one single, it would surely have been on Nuggets.

Anyway, in addition to the 7 known versions, don't forget the hidden one on Rare Cuts & Oddities 1966, though it's a short one (apparently ends when Garcia flubs the words)...



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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 12, 2008 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

Thanks, CPW; cool pics.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 12, 2008 9:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

I don't think that was the last one - could be wrong - but they played one on TV the next month:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-04-08.tv.hanno.12623.sbeok.shnf

As far as I can find, the '66 versions are from:
5-19-66
7-16-66
7-29-66
10-7-66
11-19-66
12-1-66
and from the studio, 12-5-66:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-12-05.sbd.kimbro.23064.sbeok.shnf

The "real" 3-12-66 starts with Cream Puff War, which would be the earliest version - it's in the vault, but not in circulation yet. Don't know what date the studio cut on Rare Cuts is from, but Lemieux included it in one of his Taper's Section pieces:
http://www.dead.net/features/tapers-section/january-15-january-21-2007

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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 12, 2008 10:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

just going by a first and last version doc that someone once posted here...never have known it to be wrong, but I can see how a tv performance could be missed...since two or three other places I checked missed it as well...

anyway, then the next to the last version is really good...

I am looking forward to hearing the tv show from 67-04-08 as soon as I get a sound card.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 12, 2008 11:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

Thanks LIA for the Cream Puff War update list!

Hope the 3-12-1966 version in the vault circulates someday.

Sounds like the KPIX TV version is live in the studio, not a lip-synch of the album/single.


1966-12-05 would sound better with some pitch adjustment!

The studio version on Rare Cuts and Oddities has a different chorus:
"You can't be straight with each other for more than a minute at a time
Though it's all in the past, you just won't leave it behind"

The other,
hidden version on Rare Cuts and Oddities is a genuine oddity...

This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2008-10-13 06:01:40

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 13, 2008 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

Thanks for the 'hidden version' - brief as it is!
Perhaps you could link videos of more highlights of Rare Cuts, since that CD can't be bought anymore.....

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 14, 2008 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 67-03-18 - Winterland - Cream Puff War

just a couple
slide shows

This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2008-10-15 03:46:51